討論:朱令鉈中毒事件/存檔2

DoctorHu的意見

維基人：你好。

我來解釋一下《Mob rule on China's Internet: The keyboard as weapon》（紐約時報版權文章）與「清華朱令鉈中毒案」的關係。

「朱令案」是通過網絡炒起來的，而這次炒作與上述文章中同時提及另外幾次炒作一樣，都充滿了網絡暴力，包括在網上公布相關人員的私密信息，號召給其工作單位發傳真打電話等，給其母親打電話等。上述文章明確引用「清華朱令鉈中毒案」網上炒作為例，說明網絡暴力在中國網絡上橫行。既然有編輯要在朱令條目中引用網上炒作中的一些未經官方證實的情況，那我認為這篇文章就有引用的必要。

下面我把該文相關部分用彩色標出，請維基人查看。

Mob rule on China’s Internet: The keyboard as weapon June 01, 2006 Copyright The New York Times

By Howard W. French The New York Times THURSDAY, JUNE 1, 2006

SHANGHAI It began with an impassioned, 5,000-word letter on one of China’s most popular Internet bulletin boards, from a husband denouncing a student he suspected of carrying on an affair with his wife.

Immediately, hundreds joined in the attack. 「Let’s use our keyboard and mouse in our hands as weapons,」 as one person wrote, 「to chop out the heads of these adulterers, to pay for the sacrifice of the husband.」 Within days, the hundreds had grown to thousands, and then tens of thousands, with total strangers forming teams to hunt down the student’s identity and address, hounding him out of his university and causing his family to barricade themselves inside their home.

[[It was the latest example of a growing phenomenon the Chinese call Internet hunting, in which morality lessons are administered by online throngs and where anonymous Web users come together to investigate others and mete out punishment for offenses real and imagined.]]

In recent cases, people have scrutinized husbands suspected of cheating on their wives, fraud on Internet auction sites, the secret lives of celebrities and unsolved crimes. One case that drew a huge following involved the poisoning of a Tsinghua University student - an event that dates to 1994, but was revived by curious strangers after word spread on the Internet that the only suspect in the case had been questioned and released.

Even a recent scandal involving a top Chinese computer scientist dismissed for copying an American processor design came to light in part because of Internet hunting, with scores of online commentators raising questions about the project and putting pressure on the scientist’s sponsors to look into allegations about intellectual property theft.

While Internet wars can crop up anywhere, these cases have set off alarms in China, where this sort of crowd behavior has led to violence in the past. Many here draw disturbing parallels to the Cultural Revolution, whose 40th anniversary was in May. During that episode of Chinese history, mobs of students taunted and beat their professors and mass denunciations and show trials became common for a decade.

This person swiftly changes his/her ID, but

This person swiftly changes his/her ID, but still say things as if he/she has a single brain. No matter what he/she does with his/her keyboard, it looks like to me that the keyboard is his/her weapon. Unfortunately, no matter what this weapon fires, he/she still cannot say any reason why this New York Times article should be included in wiki item "朱令"'s external reference link list, except some red inks. This New York Times article never mentioned "朱令" at all. With this "DoctorHu" or Mr. "Panda"'s poor judgement, we should include thousands of articles into wiki item "朱令"'s external reference link list. Therefore, I strongly suggest that this person list this New York Times article as an external reference link of the wiki item "weapon" and wiki item "keyboard", because of his obsession with weapon and keyboard, but nothing about "朱令".

To Theodoranian|虎兒

I'm not very familiar with the wikipedia system. In the "編輯本頁" tab function, it's very easy to erase other people's message by typing Ctrl-C and Ctrl-p, so right now I only use the "+" tab function. Hope this would no longer cause trouble to other people. Thank you.

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對"User遵紀守法"的修改的修改

"User遵紀守法"有前科,所謂New York's Times刊登"Mob rules Internet in China"的假新聞就是他一而再,再而三地硬性往"朱令"條目的外部連接裡面塞,結果New York's Times里的文章根本不是這個title, 裡面也並無提到"朱令"這個名字, 這位"遵紀守法"玩弄讀者,事後也並無道歉.

現在我指出他的新建議的不妥之處:

1. (朱令)"被人投放了高毒性鉈鹽"不可刪除. 據北京市職業病衛生防治所官方化驗,朱令鉈中毒的劑量超過致死量,為正常量的千倍以上,北京市公安局已官方排除朱令自殺和朱令自己(不經他人投鉈而)接觸鉈的可能性,"遵紀守法"先生需要解釋鉈鹽為什麼能夠不經投毒而接觸了朱令,如何能和北京市公安局的"排除朱令及其家人接觸鉈鹽"的說法不矛盾? 我們知道的某些挺孫家的說法,說汽車零件里有鉈,可以接觸汽車甚至吃汽車導致鉈中毒; 說老鼠藥里有鉈,朱家人可能誤服鼠藥. 但是,朱家斷然否認這些說法. "遵紀守法"先生不能以這些莫須有的東西作為論據. "遵紀守法"先生列出的幾個"鉈中毒"的論據,和投鉈導致鉈中毒並無矛盾.

2. 可以驗證的最新進展,納入條目,可以.

3. 「最大嫌疑人」增加"朱令父母認為的", 非常不妥. 北京市公安局經過將近兩年的盤查後,孫維是被圈定的唯一嫌疑人.更重要的是,孫維自己承認曾在有"犯罪嫌疑人"字樣的單據下籤下自己的大名(見孫大武承認為真的"孫維聲明"),再也沒有第二個人能被稱為此案的嫌疑人.既然是唯一,那就是最大,因為沒有任何東西能與之相比.

4."skyonline"改"skyoneline",本來已有網友改正,由於"遵紀守法"先生參與的修改戰中不幸丟失.

5."之後嫌疑人11年來首次發表聲明為自己辯解" 之中的"嫌疑人"改為 "一位已經被北京警方解除嫌疑的朱令同學", 這個非常不妥.

語言從來不是絕對嚴密的,"遵紀守法"先生不怕加修飾語的話,應該改為這個長句來修飾:

"一位家族裡有1993年--2003年中國國家副總理待遇以上的長輩的人, 同時又是一位95年朱令剛被確診為鉈中毒同住的宿舍就發生一宗奇怪致使朱令日常用品丟失的盜竊案的同宿舍的女同學,一位95年被列為嫌疑, 97年"坦白從寬抗拒從嚴"老刑法廢除"疑罪從無"新刑法實施後才開始被審問, 98年由於95年的物證均無法復原才因為新刑法"疑罪從無"被解除嫌疑的人, 這個人11年來首次發表聲明'澄清網絡傳言, 不知道她97年在北京市公安局14處在有"犯罪嫌疑人"字樣的單據下籤下自己的大名以後這麼多年都幹什麼去了?!".----[User: 孫越琦託孤]