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用户:SickManWP/沙盒/11

维基百科，自由的百科全书

English:For quick with Chinese and English users, I will use Chinese and English to write these letter.

中文：为了方便中文及英文使用者，本人将会以中文和英文去撰写这封信。

English：Hello, I was hope to say something about Chinese Wikipedia Techyan's thing. He would be personal attack some users, and some actions are not very good.

The timeline:In 12nd July, Techyan have edit his user page. However, he change my real name to "蔡薄熙来" (zh:Special:diff/55178539).I can agree he use my quote, but I think "蔡薄熙来" was a personal attack to me. After I hear this event, I went to his user talk page and ask him to change back his user page, but he do not answer me. At 29th July, I go to Village Pump to get some help , and many users like MCC214 answer me that Techyan has many other things that he do wrong. 6th August, Admin Shizhao has remove the content that was bad, but Techyan have return that night. After a few day, Another user SCP-2000 has removed the content again, but block by Techyan because he change his user page without agree with other people. Finally at 16th June, Techyan have answer all the quarrel about him, but me and a few user is not full about his answer.

This is the things that I want to say:

  1. In 12nd July, Techyan have edit his user page. However, he change my real name to "蔡薄熙来" (zh:Special:diff/55178539). I can agree he use my quote, but I think "蔡薄熙来" was a personal attack to me
  2. 4th August, Techyan add the Telegram channel Oh WP ZZ. That channel is laugh and tease at user UjuiUjuMandan and me. I feel my free to write Wikipedia have be distribut, but we cannot find the owner of the channel. Techyan put the channel into his user page, did he agree to personal attack us on Telegram?
  3. Also, he put the Japanese shop "安亭饺子点" into his user page. By The Chinese Wikipedia Rule:Wikipedia was not the tool to buy ads,

（This rule was legal to use in user page, atricle, category, file, talk page and template.）

4.Although Techyan have answer me, but he have not answer that the meaning of "little kid", "government change", and still call my full name, he know his wrong? I don't think so.
5.At 10th July, Techyan put my many article to draft. Although I agree he to do it, but he haven't agree by other users.

This is the thing that MCC214 want to say:

  1. if an user have be block forever, then should change the user page content ("User:" but not "User:/"), but Techyan change the content for the user page and their son page("User:/").[1][2],then the son page protect by the robot. [3][4]Wikipedia have no a example to change the content of the forever block user's son page. If the action could do, then after that more son page are change the contents.
  2. After Techyan not want to answer all the bad thing, he say that "you don't edit my user talk page, if you edit more times then I have a few more letters","I am sit to the big street that day, I have get eight letters, I think I have been disrupt. "(zh:Topic:V4gbjcaypm1dx8sz).If Techyan do not want to see more letters, he could set to don't let the Wikipedia sen letter to him by Gmail.
  3. The IP row that call "math people subject" by Techyan (zh:User:Techyan/乐子#数淆民科, zh:User:Techyan/代理段), is block three years at 13th July 2018, the reason is "Open proxy: Leaky webhost: Contact stewards if you are affected he.net". After Techyan unblock the all area block in this June, [5], zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.139, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.149, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.140(blocked by Techyan), zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.142, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.192, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.141, [[zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.177], zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.144(blocked by Techyan), zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.80, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.14.98, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.14.138, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.71.112, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.183, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.138(blocked by Techyan), zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.14.135, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.14.136, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.84, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.179(make a lot of G3 page [https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E6%97%A5%E5%BF%97/65.49.126.179), zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.97, zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.26.32are all {{blocked proxy}}by the golems, add the pressure of the adminstrator.
  4. By the answer of Techyan "A people say very bad Englis, stewarts on the IRC mail judge, local admin are also judge. I attack you one is no bad, because you will see that, If I real block you, there is no adminstrator to unblock you. Every people that knows is not complex.", Techyan may illegal with Chinese Wikipedia rule "say no to not civil things", "example of personal attack" this two and it fit the "ruin for disqualify admin rule: use block to make user afraid".

This is the thing that SCP-2000 want to say:

  1. Techyan say while he answer we "When Shizhao and SCP-2000 edit his user page,

they have no delete the things that 'invade people private', but every edit are change my userpage. This change like change other message of user, it is bad in fact, at least no good to do this. The bad user page could use CSD and AFD template, but don't change any good content in user page. Shizhao and SCP-2000 every edit are changed good contents." The action of Techyan may have the content ofWheel War([6]) and Edit War([7]) exist.

  1. Techyan say that in the answer "abuse to change other people user pagecan be block. Some people thinks that the user page can be fully protect, but it can't use in this case. Fully Protect can't use in vandaled page, because auto confirm user is quick and very easy to block (new user and IP user is hard)". And by the unblock reason of Tigerzeng, "this case have not necessarily to quick block it, it can go to VIP to let other people to say how to make it done will not make a bad result. The edit note of SCP-2000 reason is not exactly not no sense, also not vandal and disrupt.”, Techyan has no reason to block SCP-2000 without go to the VIP.
  2. By the answer of Techyan, he say that "the unblock reason of Tigerzeng also have tell you(SCP-2000) go to AFD but not change my page. ”And by the unblock reason of Tigerzeng,"block reason is change people user page without agree, but the user page of adminstrator is same to normal user.At the user page of content is bad, the change page user is not use the power of admin, but a normal user. This block is also have the admin use normal user to join that case, so SCP-2000 thinks that in this block, the user use both admin and normal user power, so this block is not reasonable.
  3. After Techyan answer SCP-2000 the content question, he haven't change back his user page.
  4. SCP-2000 only say that Techyan add NOINDEX this action is have question, but haven't say that "delete the DISPLAYTITLE action have problem". Also, SCP-2000is no comment about Techyan delete DISPLAYTITLE. About more SCP-2000 to the pageopinion,

can go to see zh:Topic:V3uobru9t1e74nsc and zh:User_talk:WikiSuperfan/毅进制#User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制.

  1. SCP-2000 thought that User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制is no argue to NOINDEX, the reason are
    1. At the AFD of zh:User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制，The people support delete say that the page have illegal to Chinese Wikipedia rule zh:WP:UPNOT and zh:WP:NOT. By zh:WP:UPNOT, "In a nutshell, you should not put a lot of data without the nexus about the user page. ”and by the zh:WP:NOT "but, user page should only use to put this that had relation to Wikipedia. There is no question to put your little self show, but do not take user page as your blog or web, and also don't put a lot of thing that no connect with Wikipedia.”, and page zh:User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制 have not put a lot of unconnect data, so zh:WP:UPNOT and zh:WP:NOT is not suit to use in this case.
    2. Have people thing that that page is not joke, but if that page is not joke, the page is also legal to zh:WP:UPNOT and zh:WP:NOT rule "do not put a lot of data that is no connect with Wikipedia", so the page did not have any argue to delete NOINDEX.
  2. SCP-2000 delete the user page of Techyan Telegram links and the reason of SCP-2000 is not "invade people private", but that Telegram channel is included a lot of content that was not civil and personal attack user, and illegal to the Chinese Wikipedia rule zh:WP:CIVIL. Also, by the unblock reason of Tigerzeng, it doesn't say that "tell SCP-2000 go to AFD if the user page have question". By rule zh:WP:DP，"If a page can be get better by talk,and change, that should be talk, be bald to edit the page, no need to delete it." So it was legal to directly delete the bad content, but not go to AFD.
  3. AFD is for the survival of the whole page, but not delete a part of content. Chinese Wikipedia only thinks that the whole page are no question, do not equal the part of page has question. AFD have been quick end is because the user page of Techyan was not have a lot of illegal content.
  4. by Chinese Wikipedia rule zh:WP:POL, "rules in the Wikipedia people have been agree, that equal to user should not be broken". Techyan should do action by the rule, but not he think it can so he can do this.
  5. At page zh:WP:《求闻》/2019年/6月简讯, Techyan is not legal to the rule zh:WP:BLP and many undo reason.

More notes: Oh WP ZZ channel admins is an Wikipedia people, they first laugh and bully at UjuiUjuMandan, and then they start to laugh me on this August. The channel open up my black history ([8]), and then laugh at the jokes that I say in the main group of Chinese Wikipedia at Telegram, also including another Wikipedia group. And then After I vote in OTRS (meta:OTRS/Volunteering), they laugh my broken English. Although my English was very bad and a lot of grammar (don't know after "he" should use "was", Preposition before date should use "on", but not "in" and "at", a lot of wrong tense and don't know some basic words and the English name of the Wikipedia page), but it is bad to me to laugh my English (especially they said my broken English as "Cai English", Chinese is "zh:蔡英文", use my English to make a topic with political people and Taiwan president). I thought they have no power to laugh at me broken English, because no people can say that their English is 100% correct, even the foreign people. The personal attack of outside station personal attack also can be block, the block time will be longer if the user did not know their wrong.

An user comment about Techyan: In March 2019, Techyan think he don't people say what, laugh me in his own user page. The people love to cut the passage to get the mean and then day messy. Chinese Wikipedia let this kind of people to be adminstrator, look like no people were able to do adminstrator.

I have ask a few deep users, they say there is no more prove to disqualify him. Although Techyan is very good to do things, but he do many things this is controversial and probably personal attack many people. So I think he is not good to do adminstrator. Last, I hope Wikimedia Foundation would gave some comment to this event, thanks very much.

中文：您好，我希望在此对中文维基百科管理员Techyan作出控诉。他在最近涉嫌人身攻击，且多次行为受到争议。

事由经过：7月12日，Techyan编辑了他的用户页，并引用了我的话，但他将我的真名改成了“蔡薄熙来”（zh:Special:diff/55178539）。我能接受他引用我的说话，但我认为本人受到了人身攻击。尔后我在Techyan的用户讨论页中希望他对用户页作出修改，但他并没有作出回应。7月29日，我到互助客栈中寻求协助，用户MCC214告诉本人他的编辑及操作多次受到争议。8月6日，Shizhao曾经删除修订版本并删除用户页内的争议地方，但同日晚上又被Techyan回退。8月6日，Shizhao曾经删除修订版本并删除用户页内的争议地方，但同日晚上又被Techyan回退。数日后，用户SCP-2000因回退他的用户页而在未违反3RR及沟通下受到封禁，在数小时后他便获得解封。8月16日，Techyan终于对这些争议作出回应，但他的解释仍使数位维基人感到不满意。

以下为本人对Techyan的控诉：

  1. 7月12日，Techyan编辑了他的用户页，并引用了我的话，但他将我的真名改成了“蔡薄熙来”（zh:Special:diff/55178539）。我能接受他引用我的说话，但我认为本人受到了人身攻击。
  2. 8月4日，Techyan在用户页加入了Telegram频道Oh WP ZZ的链接。该频道自6月下旬起对用户UjuiUjuMandan及本人进行站外人身攻击，并取笑我们为乐（尤其是我所说的英文）。我感到自己参与维基百科的自由和安全受到了损害，但未能找到该频道的负责人。重点是，Techyan把这个频道放到用户页，是否支持站外人身攻击及侮辱本人？
  3. 另外，他用户页放上的“安亭饺子点”，可能涉及宣传成分。跟据Wikipedia:维基百科不是什么#维基百科不是宣传工具，

（此项适用于使用者名称、条目、分类、档案、讨论页、模板及使用者页面。）

4.虽然Techyan已作出回应，但他未解释何谓“小朋友”、“政变”，而且依然直呼本人全名，我不认为他有任何悔改之意。
5.7月10日，Techyan把我许多条目移动至草稿。虽经本人同意，但是未经其他人的讨论。

以下为用户MCC214对Techyan的控诉：

  1. 一个用户被永久封禁，只可替换用户页（User:，而非User:/）的内容，但Techyan就放了Spp入用户的子页面（User:/）裹面替换用户的子页面原有的内容[9][10]，卒之被机器人全保护[11][12]，维基百科从没有替换永久封禁用户的子页面内容的先例，此先例一开，以后一个用户被永久封禁，就会连永久封禁用户的子页面原有的内容都会被替换成Spp。
  2. 在Techyan拒绝回应所有争议事件时，他表示“你别编辑我用户讨论页了。你编辑几次我收几封邮件”、“我那天正坐大街上研究接下来去哪个景点结果MCC214编了我用户页8次，我坐在那没几分钟就收了8封邮件，这已经构成骚扰了”（zh:Topic:V4gbjcaypm1dx8sz）。Techyan如果因为多收几封邮件而不许用户编辑，他大可把偏好设定调成拒绝维基百科发送用户讨论页编辑通知给Gmail。
  3. 被Techyan称为“数淆民科/数学民科”的IP段（zh:User:Techyan/乐子#数淆民科、zh:User:Techyan/代理段），在2018年7月13日被元维基全域封锁三年（Open proxy: Leaky webhost: Contact stewards if you are affected he.net），自被Techyan在6月停用本地全域封锁[13]之后，zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.139、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.149、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.140（Techyan封的）、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.142、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.192、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.141、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.177、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.144（Techyan封的）、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.80、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.14.98、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.14.138、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.71.112、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.183、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.38.138（Techyan封的）、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.14.135、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.14.136、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.84、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.179（建立多个G3页面[14]）、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.126.97、zh:Special:用户贡献/65.49.26.32全部都以{{blocked proxy}}和傀儡为由封锁，增加管理员的负担。
  4. “某人英文水平太差，监管员在IRC上在邮件里在站内抱怨，本地管理员也在抱怨。我就算得罪你一下也无所谓，因为你会发现，我真把你编辑禁制了也没有管理员肯出来给你解。大家心照不宣的事没有那么复杂。”，Techyan可能违反zh:Wikipedia:文明#杜绝不文明行为、zh:Wikipedia:不要人身攻击#例子和zh:Wikipedia:管理员的离任#解任条件的“不合理的封锁用户或者以封锁（编辑禁制）相威胁”这三条。

以下为用户SCP-2000对Techyan的控诉：

  1. Techyan在回应时表示“Shizhao和SCP-2000在编辑我用户页时，没有只移除他们认为“侵犯隐私权”的内容，而每笔编辑都修改了我的用户页。这种修改用户页实质内容的行为，就如同修改其他用户的留言一样，是事实上禁止的，或者最起码是不提倡的。不合理的用户页，按照常规，可以使用CSD或AFD模板，但不应该手动编辑其中任何有意义的内容。但是，Shizhao和SCP-2000的每笔编辑都改动了其中的实质性内容。”，Techyan的操作实际上有zh:Wikipedia:车轮战[15]和zh:Wikipedia:编辑战[16]的成分存在。
  2. Techyan在回应时指出“滥改他人用户页是可以被封禁的。有人在上面主张的全保护，是不适用于这种情况的。全保护不能用于被破坏的页面，因为实施破坏的自动确认用户可以被很方便地封禁（而新用户和IP用户则不能）。”，在Tigerzeng给出的解封理由中，也说“本案并无明显的急迫性，使得必须尽快执行封禁，提报至 VIP 待其他人来判断也不会造成严重后果；SCP-2000在编辑摘要中提及的理由并非一望而知的不合理，也非明显的破坏或者扰乱。”，Techyan并无急迫性使得必须尽快执行封禁而绕过提报至VIP的程序。
  3. Techyan在回应时指出“在Tigerzeng给出的解封理由中，也已经明确告诉你了用户页有问题应该直接去AFD而不是自己上去改。”，在Tigerzeng给出的解封理由中，也说“封禁理由为擅自修改他人用户页，管理员的用户页与一般用户页并无差异。在当事管理员的用户页上某些内容是否应该移除的问题上，当事人并非以管理员身份参与，而是以普通用户身份。该封禁又涉及当事管理员以普通用户身份参与的事情，故SCP-2000认为在此封禁上，执行封禁的管理员同时使用了管理员和普通用户两个身份，并据此认定封禁不合理。
  4. Techyan在打出一大串关于SCP-2000名字的问题之回复后，但他仍未修正他的用户页中名字问题。
  5. SCP-2000只曾表示Techyan增加NOINDEX的操作有问题的，并没有表示“移除DISPLAYTITLE的操作才有问题的”。SCP-2000亦对Techyan移除DISPLAYTITLE的操作无意见。有关SCP-2000对zh:User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制页面之表态，详情可见zh:Topic:V3uobru9t1e74nsc和zh:User_talk:WikiSuperfan/毅进制#User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制。
  6. SCP-2000认为User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制并没有争议和以NOINDEX避免被删之理由并不合理，理由如下
    1. 在zh:User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制存废讨论中，删除方有人指出该页面违反zh:WP:UPNOT和zh:WP:NOT。根据zh:WP:UPNOT表示“总括来说，您应该避免在用户页上放置大量和维基百科无关的数据”和根据zh:WP:NOT表示“然而，用户页只应用于展示与维基百科相关的数据。适量自我介绍并无问题，但千万别把用户页当成个人网页或网志，亦请勿放置大量与维基百科无关的内容。”，而User:WikiSuperfan/毅进制单个页面并不算是大量，可见违反zh:WP:UPNOT和zh:WP:NOT此理据并不站住脚和明显。
    2. 有人亦指出该页面并非幽默，但即使假定该页面是幽默内容和与维基百科无关，但仍受zh:WP:UPNOT和zh:WP:NOT中切勿放置大量与维基百科无关的数据条款保障和应与保留。故此可见并没有争议性和以NOINDEX避免被删之理由并不合理。
  7. SCP-2000移除Techyan用户页中的Telegram连结和本人引言并非因“侵犯隐私权”，而是该tg频道含有大量针对其他维基人的不文明内容，该引言出处部分侮辱当事人，而这些内容违反zh:WP:CIVIL。再者在Tigerzeng给出的解封理由中，并没有“明确告诉你了用户页有问题应该直接去AFD而不是自己上去改。”其次，根据zh:WP:DP，“如果一个页面能透过编辑和讨论得到改善，应当展开讨论，勇于编辑进而改善页面，而不需要将它删除。”故直接删除用户页内部分违规内容和不提报afd之做法是没问题。
  8. AFD是对整个页面的存废讨论，而非对个别内容的存废讨论。社群只是认为整个页面没问题，不代表社群认为个别内容没问题。再者AFD被立即关闭是因为Techyan用户页并非充斥大量违规内容和有可回退版本，而非那些内容没问题。
  9. 根据zh:WP:POL，“方针在编辑者中被广泛接受，描述所有使用者通常应该遵守的标准。”Techyan应遵守方针所列明的标记永久封锁的用户之用户页程序，而非自作主张。
  10. 在zh:WP:《求闻》/2019年/6月简讯违反WP:BLP和多次回退他人编辑之理由。

脚注： Oh WP ZZ频道管理员是维基百科用户，他们首先以取笑用户UjuiUjuMandan，然后又在八月上旬起开始针对我的言论。该频道披露了本人的黑历史（[17]），对取笑我在Telegram中文维基百科主群（以及其他分群）内开的玩笑。之后我在OTRS中投票（meta:OTRS/Volunteering），他们对我差劣的英语作出耻笑行为。虽然本人的英语有严重的文法错误（如搞不懂性别词“he”后应使用“was”、日期应使用介词“on”而非“in”和“at”、时态、一些词语及一些维基百科页面的英文名称），但亦不应该对此作出耻笑和针，并指我的英文为“蔡英文”，与政治人物（台湾总统）zh:蔡英文相论并提。我认为他们无权取笑本人的文法错误，因为无人能保证自己的英语完全准确，甚至是外国人也不可以。站外人身攻击也可处封禁，不悔改者封禁期限将会延长。

某位用户对Techyan的评价： 2019年3月，时任管理员Techyan仗着自己看不懂别人说啥，在自己的用户页上嘲讽我。喜欢断章取义的人总是仗着自己搞不清楚事情而胡说八道。中文维基百科让这样的人当管理员，看来是真的没人了。

另外，我亦问过数位资深用户，但他们都表示证据不足，不足以解任他。虽然Techyan处事很有效率，但他对多位用户作出疑似无礼及人身攻击行为，因此我认为他不适合担任管理员。我希望基金会能够对此作出回应，万分感激。

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